Kamar yadda darektan Ayyukan bazata na Rikici, Jay Baruchel yana da wadataccen kwarewa don zana daga. Yin aiki a masana'antar tun yana ɗan shekara 12, ya koya daga manyan daraktoci kamar David Cronenberg da Clint Eastwood, kuma ya sami mahimmancin haske game da abin da zai iya (ko fasa) fim ɗin da aka shirya.

Na zauna tare da Jay don tattauna sabon fim dinsa, tasirinsa a cikin masana'antar ban tsoro, da kuma wasu fina-finan da ya fi so.

Ga wani bangare na hirar mu a Ayyukan bazata na Rikici, danna nan.

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Kelly McNeely: Don haka, kun kasance cikin masana'antar na dogon lokaci farawa da Mashahuri Masana'antu don Yara, amma ta yaya hakan ya taimaka muku da duk abin da kuka samu a matsayin darakta kuma me kuka koya a cikin waɗannan abubuwan hauka? 

Jay Baruchel: Komai. Kuma kusan duk abin da na sani game da fina-finai tun daga ƙarami nake ko kallon fina-finai. My first day on set, I was 12. Kuma ko da na fara lokacin, mahaifiyata ta ce da ni, da kyau, kuna so ku zama darekta. Sha'awata ga sinima ba ta samo asali daga sha'awar wasan kwaikwayo ba. Yana da akasin wannan. Na zama dan wasa ne saboda hakan ya bani damar kasancewa kusa da sinima.

Don haka lokacin da nake shekara 12, kuma mahaifiyata ta ce da ni, ka sani, kana so ka je makarantar fim a ƙarshe, ya kamata ka jira har sai ka kai shekara 18. Amma kana da dama a yanzu don ka kasance cikin fim mafi kyau makaranta a cikin duniya, wanda ke da kwarewa kuma kawai yana ganinta daga ƙoshin lafiya. Ni koyaushe na kasance soso. Don haka daga ranar farko tawa, koyaushe ina cikin soyayya, ka sani, allahiya ta sinima, kuma ina jan duk abin da zan iya, zan zabi kowace kwakwalwa da zan iya.

Kuma abin da ke da kyau shine duban shekaru 12 da 13 da farawa akan waɗannan abubuwa, yawancin ma'aikata, sun kasance manya a cikin tunanina. Amma idan aka waiwaya baya, da sun kasance matasa sun fi ni yanzu, 23-24, sabo makarantar koyon fim. Don haka duk ra'ayoyinsu da abubuwan da suke so sun kasance sabo ne da bambancin ra'ayi. Sabili da haka a 12-13 na ga yadda ake yin fim. Amma na kasance kusa da wasu gungun shekaru 20 wadanda suka fito daga makarantar koyon fim wadanda suke son ciyar da ni duk abubuwan da suke koya. Kuma wannan kyakkyawan wuri ne, mai wahayi don farawa daga. 

Amma kuma, Zan kasance mai gaskiya, a cikin 20 da shekarun da aka tsara, ina tsammanin na iya kasancewa a kan rabin dozin zuwa goma waɗanda suka yi aiki daidai. Kamar akwai daidaitattun masana'antu na irin rikice-rikicen sarrafawa, amma ana sarrafa shi ta hanyar sassauƙa. Amma akwai kuma - kuma zan faɗi wannan - wannan jagorar… yaya zan saka wannan? Akwai mutanen da suka kasa zuwa sama. Kuma saboda kai ne madugu, saboda aikinku shine samun hankali da ra'ayi, kuma duk wani mutum da aka saita a ƙarshe ya zo gare ku, dama?

Abin da wannan ke nufi shi ne, idan kai mutum ne wanda ba shi da wahayi, to abu ne mai sauki a yi karya da shi, saboda kowa yana nuna maka zabi. Ba zan iya gaya muku sau nawa a matsayin ɗan wasan kwaikwayo na kasance a cikin saiti ba inda ya bayyana cewa daraktan ba shi da wata ma'ana ga abin da muke ƙoƙarin yi. Sabili da haka waɗannan mutane - kowane lokaci - zasu ɗauka cewa kasancewar duka castan wasa da ƙungiya a gabanka a matsayin nau'in sandbox tare da fulogin GI Joes da ababen hawa a ciki, ta yadda yakamata ku sami hutu kuma ku kasance da ƙira.

Wannan alama ce babbar hanyar ɗauka, cewa da yawa daga cikinsu sun shigo ba tare da sanin menene fucking ɗin ba kuma suna fatan zamu samo musu. Kuma lokacin da baku san abin da kuke so ba, kuma duk abin da zaku tafi shi ne abin da ba ya aiki a gare ku ko abin da ba ku so, wannan shine lokacin da kuka isa arewacin 7, 10, 12, 15 yana ɗaukar, kuma ba safai ba wahayi ne da ya tsira da hakan, ina ji.

Kuma mafi kyawun saitin da na kasance a ciki, da nisa, da nesa, da nesa, zasu zama iyayengiji biyu waɗanda nayi sa'ar samun aiki sosai, shine David Cronenberg da Clint Eastwood. Saitunan su ma sun yi kama sosai, saboda hangen nesa ne da aka bayyana a sarari. Yanzu a bayyane yake cewa kun bar sarari don nema da bincika, kuma komai menene abin, abin da ke takarda ba zai zama abin da kuka yi ba. Amma kamar, har yanzu kun san abin da kuke ƙoƙarin faɗi, daidai? Sabili da haka kowa a kowane rukuni ya san abin da fim ɗin yake ƙoƙarin faɗi. Kowa a kowane jeri ya ji daɗin kasancewa a wurin. Kowa a kowane rukuni ya ji cewa yatsun hannunsu na kan fim ɗin. Sabili da haka kowa yana aiki daga wurin sha'awar, amma kuma, babu damuwa da damuwa.

Saboda abu na Eastwood shine idan na dauke ka aiki, saboda ka iya aikin. Na dauke ka aiki. Don haka bana buƙatar fucking damuwa. Ba na bukatar micromanage. Kawo shi - kamar yadda kowa yake kawowa - kuma dukkanmu muna da kyau, kuma ba lallai bane muyi maimaita fiye da ɗaya. Kuma ba lallai bane muyi sama da guda uku, kuma zamu iya dawowa gida da wuri. Ba wanda ya isa gida da wuri! Amma a kan waɗannan finafinan biyu, na tashi da wuri, kuma sun gama da wuri! Million Dollar Baby An gama kamar kwana biyu kafin lokacin, wanda ba a taɓa jin fim ɗin mai girman ba!

Kuma don haka na kasance kamar, wannan shine komai. Tabbatar kowa yana jin cewa wannan nasu ne, cewa dukkanmu muna cikin wannan. Babu wanda zai kasance cikin haɗarin haɗari kamar ni. Amma duk abin da mafi kyawun abu na gaba yake, shi ne abin da nake so kowa ya ji. Ina son su ji cewa za su iya kawo min wani ra'ayi. Domin - ta hanya - idan kowa ya ji za su iya bayyana min kowane ra'ayi, wannan yana nufin cewa suna aiki da gaske daga wurin tsabtaccen tunani, wanda don aikin fasaha, kamar fim, zai iya zama mai kyau a gare shi kawai. Amma har ilayau zuwa ga aya, Na ga misalai da yawa - karin misalai - na abin da darekta bai kamata ya yi ba. Kuma wannan ma babban abu ne mai shiryarwa.

Kelly McNeely: Tare da mummunan tashin hankali a ciki Ayyukan bazata na Rikici, wannan kadan kenan daga abinda mutane suke tsammani daga gareka. Abin tsoro shine bayyanannen sha'awar ku, shin zaku sake yin wani fim mai ban tsoro? Yaya mahimmanci ya kasance a gare ku don samun sakamako mai amfani? Kuma ta yaya kuka tsara waɗancan tasirin kamar su na juzu'i, ta yaya kuka sami waɗancan batutuwan?

Jay Baruchel: Haka ne, wannan babbar tambaya ce. Um, ee, kwata-kwata cikin bugun zuciya. Ina so in ciyar da rayuwata wajen yin fina-finai masu ban tsoro ko fina-finai masu daukar hoto. Kuma abin da na fahimta shine ina so in ciyar da rayuwata don yin fina-finai na yaƙi, saboda finafinan yaƙi duk waɗannan ne, sannan kuma wasu… da yawa duk nau'ikan lalata. Kuma duk lokacin da na fara girma, zan iya ganin gaskiya a kowane fim din da ba fim ɗin yaƙi ba. Amma a, zan so. Zan yi shakka a cikin bugun zuciya. 

Akwai faifan bidiyo a wani wuri a gidan mahaifiyata a kaina ina da shekara 7 - na ce ina so in zama darakta a shekara 9 - amma lokacin da nake shekara 7 akwai faifan bidiyo na cewa mahaifiyata, zuwa kyamara, zan rubuta labaru suna da ban tsoro don suna tsoratar da Stephen King daga cikin kayan aikin sa. Sabili da haka, Na ji daɗin wannan shit ɗin tun ina ƙarami, kuma na zo da gaskiya daga masoyan fim biyu na doka.

Mahaifiyata da mahaifina koyaushe suna ba ni Fim na 101, kuma tare da kowane motsi, za mu kalli - kuma musamman idan muka kalli wani abu mai mahimmanci - mahaifiyata ta bayyana mini dalilin da ya sa Hitchcock ya kasance mai kula da damuwa da abin da hakan ke nufi da irin fina-finan da ya yi, wanda hakan ya sa na kamu da son mutumin lokacin da nake saurayi. Don haka ina son wannan kayan. Kuma na yi kokarin gano dalilin.

Ina tsammanin wannan dalili ne guda daya wanda nake son fandare, masana'antu, da karafa, wanda saboda kai tsaye ne, kuma yana tsallake shit da yawa wanda na ga bai wuce fuskar bangon waya ba. Kai tsaye ne, gaskiya ne, magani ne mai ƙarfi, kuma tushen magoya bayansa na addini ne kuma bashi da kauna daga masu hankali. Don haka wannan shit ne da yakamata in kalla, wannan shine son da nake son yi. 

Dangane da yadda mahimmancin kayan kwalliyar suka kasance: mahimmancin gaske. A gare ni aikin [Roberto] Bava ne da John Carpenter The Thing. Wannan shine maɗaukaki, kuma komai yana da amsar wannan, ƙoƙari don sake maimaita shi, yana da tushe daga wannan. Craƙƙarfan hotunan kwamfuta da aka kirkira shine - kamar kowane kullun - yana da gurguntar ɗayan, wanda a ƙarshe, muke dogara sosai.

Amma a bayyane yake akwai wuri don shi; akwai hotunan kirkirar kwamfuta a ciki Ayyukan bazata na Rikici, ban da kawai bayyane abubuwa kamar rayarwa, amma akwai abubuwan da muka yi, kun sani, ƙara ɗan ruwan sama a nan da can, kuma don ƙarawa a cikin ruwa a nan. Akwai gida a gare shi, amma don sanya shi gaba ɗaya ƙirar tasirinku na musamman, wannan yana sadaukar da iko mai yawa na kyan gani. Af, ni kuma ba zan iya suna fim tare da CGI wanda nake ƙauna ba, haka ne? Amma zan iya yin suna da tarin gwanayen kayan aikin da nake tsammanin manyan abubuwa ne. Se7en, babu wani abu kamar wannan shit, wannan kayan aikin gaskiya ne. 

Ofaya daga cikin kyawawan abubuwa game da kasancewa cikin kasuwanci ɗaya tun lokacin da nake yarinya shine cewa zaku sami dangantaka kuma kun sami ilimi kuma zaku sami hanyar tafiya kuma ku tambayi mutane da kuka yi aiki tare lokacin da kuke yarinya wanda, kamar , tuna da kai a matsayin kidan da bai damu da shi ba wanda yayi tambayoyi da yawa. Don haka kungiyar da ta yi duk irin tasirin da muke da shi, duk karfinmu, shi ne Paul Jones. Jones kuma yayi tarin abubuwa a ciki Goon: Lastarshe na forarfafawa.

Idan kayi google Paul Jones, zaka gani mazaunin Tir da komai, komai. Kuma na yi aiki tare da saurayin lokacin da nake kamar 18-19, kuma mun yi aiki tare sosai. Mun kawai raba abubuwan sha'awa - yara Fangoria, dama - hakika, ni ɗan gaske ne, yana cikin 20s. Don haka lokacin da na sami lokaci don yin fim ɗin ban tsoro, duk da haka yawancin shekaru masu ban tsoro - shekaru goma da ƙari - daga baya kuma zan iya cewa, hey, Paul, za ku iya zuwa da wasu mahaukatan shirme? Kuma wannan shine mafi kyau. Wannan shine abin da yafi komai dadi. Ofaya daga cikin abubuwa mafi ban sha'awa game da fim shine haɗuwa da waɗannan mutanen duka, kuma samun kowa kawai jam. 

Don haka na san abin da nake so - kuma abin da nake tsammanin ina so a matsayin darakta da kuma marubuci - Karim ya san abin da yake so da abin da yake tsammani yake so a matsayin DP. Paul yana da wasu dabaru a matsayin mahalicci da kansa, da Michelle Lannon, mai tsara kayanmu, Linda Muir, mai tsara sutturarmu, kuma dukkanmu muna yin cuwa cuwa, kuma dukkanmu muna ciyar da junanmu. Kuma ra'ayin wani, kamar, “oh fuck, wannan zai zama abin birgewa saboda wannan ya dace da wannan abin da muke ƙoƙarin yi”, “oh, fuck, wannan gaskiya ne, wannan gaskiya ne saboda za mu iya yin wannan, dama?” Kuma a sa'an nan zamu fara gano abin da muke tsammanin rufin mu a cikin ginshikin mu shine, da kuma yadda mahaukaci muke so mu samu, yadda mahaukacin da aka yarda mu samu, yadda sama da saman, muna so mu sani - idan da gaske - blah, blah , allah.

Kuma a sa'an nan muna irin kawai fahimta da kuma fahimtar cewa, sa'an nan kuma duk iri ɗaya ne, to, yana da hangen nesa ɗaya, kuma sannan mu je can kuma mu harbe mahaukacin. Kuma haka ne, yana da mahimmanci a gare shi ya kasance mai amfani kamar yadda mutum zai iya, kuma wannan ya haɗa da wutar mu, dama? Haƙiƙa mun sanya wannan gidan fulogin wuta. Abu ne mai nauyi, mutum. Don haka, duk inda ya yiwu, ku kasance masu amfani, ku tafi tare da mai amfani sabanin dijital, amma kuma ku sani cewa za mu buƙaci taimakon dijital daga baya a kan layin.

Kelly McNeely: Ina son wannan ra'ayin na sanya kowa ya taru - masu fasaha daban-daban - saboda yana kama da lokacin da kuka sami mawaƙa masu kyau da yawa tare don yin jazz ko wani abu. Wannan ra'ayin ne iri ɗaya, kuna yin kiɗan da kawai fucking ke aiki.

Jay Baruchel: Shi ke nan! Kuma babu ra'ayin da ba daidai ba, ra'ayoyi ne kawai waɗanda zasu rayu da waɗanda ba za su rayu ba, saboda idan ra'ayi ba daidai ba ne, to mai garaya zai kasance a cikin kansa a gaba in yana son yin tunanin wani abu. A yanzu haka ina son kowa ya fidda duk wani abu da zai zo zuciyarsa. Idan na gama amfani da shi, wannan ma wani abu ne, amma ina so ku ji kyauta, kuma ina so ku ji ikon mallaka saboda na san cewa zaku yi lilo don shinge.

Gungura ƙasa don ci gaba da Shafi na 2 don shawarwarin fim ɗin Jay

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