Jay Baruchel ɗan wasan kwaikwayo ne / marubuci / darakta / babban mai sha'awar nau'in tsoro. A karo na biyu yana jagorantar fim mai fasali (na farko shi ne Goon: Lastarshe na forarfafawa), yana da cikakkiyar ma'ana cewa zai nutse cikin jinsi-na farko da Bazuwar Ayyukan Rikici. 

Dogaro da wani littafi mai hoto iri daya (wanda Justin Gray da Jimmy Palmiotti suka rubuta), Baruchel ya kwashe shekaru yana aiki tare da marubuci Jesse Chabot. Sakamakon ƙarshe fim ne mai salo, mara kyau, kuma ingantaccen fim wanda ke ƙalubalantar masu kallon sa, da gangan kuma a bayyane yake haifar da tattaunawa game da alhakin fasaha da tashin hankali a cikin al'adun mu yayin fesa allon da zafin nama.

Na zauna tare da Baruchel don tattaunawa game da yanayin tsoro, masu yanke hukunci, da kuma yin wannan fim mai jan hankali.

Za ka iya duba fitar Ayyukan bazata na Rikici a cikin wasan kwaikwayo da kuma buƙata a Kanada a ranar 31 ga Yuli, ko a Shudder US, UK, da Ireland a ranar 20 ga Agusta.

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Kelly McNeely: So Ayyukan bazata na Rikici dogara ne a kan wani zane mai zane. Amma kuna da abubuwa da yawa na gaske masu ban tsoro a ciki, suma. Menene wahayi zuwa gare ku yayin tasirin fim ɗin da sanya waɗancan abubuwa masu ban tsoro da gaske irin pop?

Jay Baruchel: Ainihin shi duka - wannan zai zama babban hokey - amma ya samo asali ne daga wani irin sha'awar gaske don yin wani abu maimakon, kamar, 'Wannan shine fim din don shiryar da hannayen mu'. Don haka asali muna son samar da wani yare don tashin hankali na allo wanda yake kusa da ainihin abin da za mu iya gudanarwa, ka sani, bayarwa ko ɗauka. Kuma lokacin da na faɗi haka, ina nufin muna son hakan ta bayyana a hankali, kuma ta sami kuzarin farawa.

Muna so mu rarrabe abubuwan da ke cikin ta yadda za mu iya, ta yadda masu sauraro ba su da iko kuma ba sa jin tausayin abubuwan da muke gudanarwa. Don haka akwai 'yan fina-finai da muke tsammanin irin su sun zo can tare da tashin hankalin su. Ina tsammanin zai zama Zodiac da kuma komowar, da kuma asali kowane Scorsese flick. Ka sani, kullun sa suna da tsauri koyaushe kamar fuck, amma babu abin da ya faru wanda ba zai iya faruwa da gaske ba. Ko da kuwa abin ban tsoro ne a duba, har yanzu, ka sani, kimiyyar lissafi da ilmin jikin mutum suna da dokoki, don haka kawai muna son mu bi waɗannan. 

Tabawa a kan irin binne abin da ake waƙa, ra'ayinmu ya kasance, akwai kwangilar zamantakewar jama'a. Kuma akwai nau'in kiɗan da ya zo daga kwangilar zamantakewar jama'a. Dukanmu muna farka kowace rana, duk muna da tsari iri ɗaya kowace rana da lokacin da muke waje da kuma kusan - wannan a bayyane yake a cikin pre-fucking-COVID abu inda mutane ba su san yadda za a dangantaka da juna ba - amma asali, lokacin da kuka bar gidanku, kuna yin yarjejeniya. Zan yi tafiya a gefen titi, kuma zan jira lokaci na, kuma ba zan doki kowa ba, kuma zan biya haraji, kuma zan jira layin, kuma zan fita daga hanyar idan wani yana gudu, komai dai dai, akwai wani nau'in kiɗa da ke faruwa wanda duk muke wasa tare.

Kelly McNeely: Wannan yarjejeniyar ta zamantakewar da duk muka sa hannu ba tare da sani ba.

Jay Baruchel: Wannan daidai ne, kuma daga wannan ya zo waƙa wanda watakila ma baza mu iya sanya yatsunmu ba, amma kuna lura da shi lokacin da ya tsaya. Don haka idan kun taɓa fita waje game da lokacin da faɗa ya ɓarke, ko maɓallin fenda, ko ’yan sanda suka bi wani, ko wani irin ihu, ko wani ya ci shi, ko ma mene ne, ana katse kiɗan baki ɗaya. Kuma yanzu yana aiki akan mitar kansa, kuma baku san wannan waƙar ba. Kuma ku irin ba ku san inda wannan zai je ba. Kuma muna son masu sauraronmu su ji hakan.

Idan kun taɓa kallon fim a da, kuna iya ɗauka da zarar kun fara jerin, lokacin da zai ƙare. Lokacin da kake cikin fim na motsa jiki, kuma kun sani, bindigogi sun fito, suna fara harbi ko wani ya buge wutar motar, na san cewa ina ciki na minti huɗu zuwa bakwai na wannan. Lokacin da mai kisan ya cire wukarsa, abu ɗaya ne, daidai? Kuma yaya abin ban tsoro? Idan kun san cewa duk abin da za ku yi shine yanayin hadari na wannan iyakataccen lokacin da ke zuwa bisa ga fim din 100 da shekaru na silima, wanda kawai ya koya mani cewa kowane jeri abu ne mai ɗaukar kansa ga kansa. Wannan yana ba ku iko wanda nake son masu sauraro ba su da shi. 

Tunani na shine, Ina so idan kashe kashe ya faru a cikin fim din mu don masu sauraro su san inda zata. Ina so in binne tarihin yadda nake iyawa, ina so a kashe sautinta. Mafi kyawun yanayin zai kasance lokacin da kisa ya fara a cikin fuskata cewa masu sauraro suna kama, oh shit, shin wannan shine kawai abin da fim ɗin ya kasance na sauran mintuna 90? Don haka abin ya kasance, kuma yana neman finafinai waɗanda muke tsammanin irin su sun isa wurin.

Kuma da yawa daga ciki sun dogara ne da tattaunawa a bayan gida tare da abokina George, wanda ya tsara duk faɗa a cikin fim ɗin. Kuma shi ɗan wasa ne mai hazaka, amma shi kansa ɗan wasan ƙwarewa sosai. Kuma dukkanninmu mun kasance manyan yan fim, kuma muna cinye dukkan lokacinmu tare lokacin da bamu yin fim. Don haka muna shiga tattaunawa mai yawa game da akida, kuma sau da yawa yakan sauko don yaƙi da al'amuran. Kuma mun kasance kamar, ta yaya kowane gilashi ya farfashe akan tasirin fim? Ta yaya kowane kujera ya rushe akan tasirin fim? 

Kelly McNeely: Duk wata mota ta fashe.

Jay Baruchel: Haka ne! Kuma kowane naushi kasa mai dadi. Kowane shinge cikakke ne. Babu ɗayan wannan da gaske! Don haka wannan shine walƙiya wanda ya haifar da nau'in kwalliyar da muka sanya a ciki.

Kelly McNeely: Ka sa Karim Hussein ya yi fim din Ayyukan bazata na Rikici - Na san ya yi Hobo Tare da Bindiga da kuma Mamallaki, waxanda dukkansu suke da ban sha'awa - ta yaya ku mutane suka inganta yaren gani guda yayin yin fim? Domin yana da irin wannan yare na gani daban.

Jay Baruchel: Oh, madalla. Na yi farin ciki da naji ka fadi haka, gani, nima ina tunanin haka. Abin da na fi alfahari da shi da fim din shi ne, abu ne mai wahalar bayyanawa. Mutane suna cewa, oh haka ne irin wannan Gida a cikin Dazuzzuka ko kuwa kamar Saw ko kuwa kamar wancan ne - kuma ba haka bane da gaske, wannan abu ne na kansa. 

Karim da Ni, zancenmu game da wannan fim ɗin ya fara gaske - wanda zai iya yin jayayya - 20 da shekaru da suka wuce, saboda ni da shi mun san juna tun ina ɗan shekara 15 ko 16. Baya a ranar kafin ya kasance mai daukar hoto, ya kasance marubuci darakta, kuma kafin ya zama darekta marubuci, shi ne ya kafa Fantasia Film Festival a Montreal, kuma ya kasance dan jaridar Fangoria. Fantasia ya kasance - Na je wannan bikin tun ina ɗan shekara 14. Kuma lokacin da nake ’yar shekara 15 ko 16, ina yin fim a Montreal da ake kira Matiyu Blackheart: Monster Smasher, kuma Fangoria tana rufe shi, kuma sun aika Karim ya rufe shi akan saiti. Kuma lokacin da na gano cewa yana ɗaya daga cikin waɗanda suka kafa Fantasia, sai na rasa shiriyata da nerds biyu - kun san abin da yake lokacin da nerds biyu suka sami juna, kuma kawai suna fara magana da Linux - amma sai muka faɗi fadi daga tabawa

Kuma a 'yan shekarun da suka gabata, na sake ganinsa ta hanyar Jason Eisner wanda ya kawo ni wani gida, kamar wasu nau'ikan abubuwan bikin. Kuma Brandon Cronenberg yana wurin kuma Karim yana wurin. Kuma na ce, Karim, mutum, Na yi alfahari da kai daga nesa tun shekaru 20 da suka gabata, kuma ya kasance kamar, “Haka ne, haka nan!”. Don haka ya yi mana kyau sosai daga ƙarshe mu sami ƙarshe don yin fim, wanda shine ainihin sakamakon tattaunawar lalata da ta ɗauki sama da shekaru XNUMX. 

Ya shigo da rarar ra'ayoyi. Har yanzu bai gama samun wahayi ba da sabon abu, kuma babban sha'awar Karim shine yin wani abu na asali. Yanzu, koyaushe ba zaku iya ba, kuma wannan shine kawai yadda yake tafiya. Amma wannan ya zama ko da yaushe buri da buri. Kuma Karim ma yana da kyau - Ina kiransa lamirin aikina. Kamar kowane yanke hukunci wanda yake da wahalar yin abun kirkira, kamar idan har muna kan hanya a cikin hanya kuma akwai wasu hanyoyin da zasu fi dacewa, hanya mai sauki don yin wani abu - wanda ba kasafai nake da hankali ba - amma ku sani , Ina yin fim ne da wani takaitaccen lokaci da kudin wasu mutane, kuma zan samu mutane su tono shi. Don haka, waccan magana mai sauƙi da sauƙi tana kasancewa koyaushe, koyaushe yana nan. Kuma samun mutum kamar Karim, shi mala'ika ne a kafaɗarka - ko kuma shaidan, idan ka tambayi furodusoshin da nake zargin - cewa shine wanda yake, yanzu ya ƙara wahala. A'a, fuck shi. Ka sani, kawai ka yarda da abinda muka fito dashi. 

Don haka na shigo tare da fim kuma ya shigo tare da dumbin fina-finan da muke tsammanin irin kyawawan wuraren ne. Na shigo da Jan Takalmi, wanda tsohon jirgi ne daga Birtaniyya daga 40 zuwa 50s - ba wani abu bane mai firgitarwa, kodayake zan yi jayayya cewa wani mummunan abu ne na ƙarshe - amma ya kasance game da ƙarfin da nake ji lokacin da nake kallon ƙawancen, cewa Ni ya kasance kamar, oh, cewa a cikin launuka masu launi Ina tsammanin irin haƙƙin wannan abu ne. Karim ya shigo tare da ɗaurin DVD.

Babban abin da yake so shi ne cewa fitina ce ta yau da kullun, wannan shine walƙiya wanda ya haifar da dukkanin wahayi da tunaninsa. Nau'in farko na farko da ya zama kamar shi ne, Ina jin kamar fim ɗin ya kamata ya zauna a cikin madaidaiciya kuma yana gudana koyaushe. Sabili da haka fim din farko da ya nuna mini wanda ya kasance babban fa'ida a gare mu - ta wata hanya ta fasaha - ya kasance Farin Ido, wanda yakai 80s - wanda yakai 80s dan kashewa - super fucking bonkers movie da gaske daukar hoto, kuma idan ka ganshi, ina jin zaka iya gani, “oh na ga abin da yake magana akai”. 

Sannan kuma da zarar mun san yaren, sau ɗaya mun sami wadatattun ra'ayoyi daga fina-finan wasu mutane don fara irin kalmominmu da yare. Yayin da muke wannan tattaunawar, Karim ma kamar, “lafiya, don haka na karanta rubutun, ina tsammanin ina ganin amber da cyan”. Nace, oh, ina son hoda. Ina son launi wanda shine tasirin tasirin bishiyar Kirsimeti lokacin da dukkan launuka na fitilu na Kirsimeti, lokacin da duk suna waƙa lokaci ɗaya. Kamar yayi maka ruwan hoda. Kuma Karim ya shigo da ambar da cyan - wuta da ruwa, waɗannan sune manyan motifinsa guda biyu da ya shigo dasu.

Bayan haka kuma kamar yadda muka tsara a zahiri har sau shida a jerin shirye-shiryenmu, a karshe mun fahimci yadda kallon fim din yake, wanda yake - kuma wannan shi ne babban labarin, ba wai sake dawowa ba ne a cikin fim] in - amma kallon fim din shine POV na fatalwa mai ban sha'awa. Fatalwa ce wacce bata da aure da kowa, amma tana da sha'awa kuma an haɗa ta da kowa, kuma irin wannan ne don haka kyamararmu tana yawo kuma tana samun detailsan bayanai kuma tana samun piecesan gutsura sannan kuma irin ku kun sani… Don haka duk da haka akwai fatalwa mai ban sha'awa. Ina tsammanin zan iya amsa wannan hanyar da sauƙi. 

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