Kafin sabon IT, Tim Curry's iconic look shi ne abin da mutane suka gane a matsayin Pennywise da shapeshifting clown, tsara ta musamman effects artist Bart Mixon. Tun lokacin da aka ƙaddamar da jerin shirye-shiryen TV a cikin 1990, ya sami karɓuwa kuma yana ci gaba da tsoratar da tsoro a cikin zukatan Amurkawa. 

Mixon ya daɗe yana aiki daga Robocop zuwa aiki na baya-bayan nan a cikin (Wãto matsaranta) na Galaxy fina-finai. iHorror ya yi magana da shi a kan aikinsa yayin da yake inganta shirin gaskiya a shekarun 1990 IT inda aka yi masa tambayoyi game da ƙirƙirar kayan shafa na Pennywise da ba da gudummawar fim ɗin BTS, Pennywise: Labarin IT. 

A cikin wannan hirar, Mixon yayi magana game da kwarewar sa lokacin IT ana yin shi, yadda yake tunanin yakamata ya ƙare da alkalumman ayyukan Pennywise da ya fi so. Kuma idan kun kasance mai goyon bayan shekarun 1990 IT, ajiye wannan labarin akan radar ku. 

Bri Spieldenner: Na kasance babban mai ba da goyon baya a duk rayuwata na tasiri mai amfani. Don haka yana da kyau a yi magana da wanda ke da irin wannan babban tarihi a cikinsa. Kamar yadda kuka fada a baya, yana da kyau sosai cewa Pennywise yana kama da jaririnku.

Bart Mixon: Wani kamar Stan Winston a fili yana da tarihin kyawawan halaye masu yawa. Don haka, kamar yadda na gaya wa Rick Baker, yana da kyau a sami ɗaya. Kuma ina tsammanin Pennywise shine ɗayana. Na shafa kayan shafa masu sanyi da yawa; Na yi aiki a kan asali Robocop da kuma Hellboy da abubuwa makamantan haka. Amma wasu masu fasahar kayan shafa ne suka tsara su kuma ina amfani, amma Pennywise nawa ne daga farkon. Na sassaka shi, na tsara shi, don haka daga farko har ƙarshe ni ke da alhakin duk tasirin halitta akansa. 

Kuma musamman, watakila da son kai na kasance kamar, a'a, Ina yin wannan kayan shafa. Ko da yake ina da ƙwararrun ma'aikatan jirgin, kun isa kawai kamar ma'aikatan ku. Kuma hakika ina da ma'aikatan jirgin ruwa masu ban mamaki a kan hakan tare da almara na masana'antu kamar Norman Cabrera da Aaron Sims da Joey Orosco da Brent Baker da Jim McLaughlin.

BS: Wane bangare kuka fi so na kayan shafa na Pennywise?

WB: Da, Tim Curry. Wataƙila wannan shine karo na farko da na kasance irin tauraro, kodayake na yi aiki da kamar Peter Weller kafin wannan, na yi fim tare da Shelley Winters a tsakiyar 80s. Tsakanin Legend da kuma Rocky Horror, Ni dai fanni ne. Lallai akwai ɗan fargaba kamar yadda kuka sani, ina fata ba zan yi nasara ba. 

Ina matukar godiya da cewa mun yi kamannin acid na baturi, saboda kusan ba mu yi hakan ba. Ina nufin, na sassaka shi, na kai shi Kanada don yin harbi da shi amma daga baya lokaci ya kure. Kuma sun zaɓi kawai su harbe wurin a cikin kamanninsa na yau da kullun. A zahiri, dole ne in gina yar tsana na tsayawa tsayin inch 18 don lokacin da ya gangara magudanar ruwa wanda muka sassaka don yin kama da Pennywise na yau da kullun. Kuma a zahiri ranar da nake yin gyare-gyaren dutse a kansa kuma na sami rabin gaba a cikin filasta, Jean Warren wanda ke kula da tasirin gani ya ce muna yin reshoots, kuma za mu yi amfani da acid ɗin batirinku. duba. 

Na riga na yi gaban abin a plaster don haka da zarar na sami ɗan tsana ya gudu, sai na ɗauki ɗan ƙaramin simintin rayuwa sannan in yi wata ƙaramar na'urar da zan manna a kai kuma in yi kayan shafa mai kama da wannan sikeli shida ko kwata. shida, wannan kankanin Tim Curry. Amma Tim, ga darajarsa, ya ba da kansa don sanya kayan shafa. Ya ga guntuwar a cikin Kanada kuma ya kasance mai yabawa game da hakan. Ya kasance mafarki ne kawai amma ina tsammanin abin da na fi so na wannan kayan shafa shine acid ɗin baturi.

BS: Ina tsammanin yana aiki sosai, wannan kallon yana da ban tsoro sosai.

WB: Abin baƙin ciki, irin fim ɗin ya ɓace da zarar Tim ya fita kuma ba na tsammanin wannan ba laifin Tommy da masu ba da labari ba ne, kawai Tim ya kasance mai karfi kuma na yi tunanin mun gina gizo-gizo mai sanyi sosai amma har yanzu kun rasa Tim Curry a cikin waɗannan. mintuna 20 na baya. Don haka ina tsammanin da zarar sun raunata wannan gizo-gizo sai ya yi yawo, lokacin da suka kore shi idan an mayar da shi zuwa Pennywise a lokacin, sannan kuma sun kashe shi. Ina tsammanin da zai zama kyakkyawan ƙarshe mai gamsarwa, amma ba na tsammanin 1990s talabijin zai bar manya uku ko hudu su doke shi daga wani ɗan wasa a TV kuma ya firgita zuciyarsa.

Duk abin da muka yi a kan wannan nunin an riga an riga an tantance shi ta fuskar kamar yanke kai a cikin firiji, ba za ku iya samun nama a rataye a ciki ba. Don haka, ban san cewa masu tantama ba za su bar mu. Hakanan, wannan shine TV na 1990. Abin da mutane ke tambaya na ke nan game da sabon kuma fim ɗin R-rated ne a cikin 2017. Ka sani? Don haka a, ba sa aiki a ƙarƙashin iyakokin da muke da su.

BS: Ko da yake zan ce daga hangen nesa na, ni da kaina na fi son kamannin asali kawai saboda yana da mummunar jin daɗi a gare shi, kuma irin na gaske. Ina mamakin ko kuna da wani ra'ayi game da duban prosthetic don sabon IT movie.

WB: Ina ganin aikin da ke can yana da kyau sosai. Take daban ne. Ina tsammanin yana da irin abin ban dariya, na yi Maza a cikin Black 3 tare da Jemaine Clement. Na yi masa Boris the Animal makeup don Rick Baker, don haka ni da Jemaine har yanzu abokai ne. Don haka lokacin da suka bayyana hoton farko daga sabon IT, ya kasance kamar “Shin kun ga sabon kamannin Pennywise? Sun kwafe naka ne kawai." Kuma na kasance kamar, da kyau, akwai kamanceceniya na asali saboda kawai ɗan wawa ne. Kuma ina nufin, gashinsa ya fi jajayen lemu, nawa kuma irin wannan jajayen bozo. 

Kawai daga labarin, idan ina da wata matsala da kayan shafa, wannan mafarki ne cewa yana tsarawa don yaudarar yara a cikin sabon. IT. Ina tsammanin kayan shafa ne mai sanyi kuma ina tsammanin yana da kyau, amma babu yadda za a yi a jahannama yaro zai zo tsakanin mil na Pennywise, yana da ban tsoro sosai, daidai daga ƙofar. Kuma nawa, Ina ƙoƙarin sanya shi ya zama kamar ɗan wasa mara lahani sannan in bar aikin Tim Curry ya haɓaka shi. 

Ɗaya daga cikin abubuwan da nake so in yi Tommy kuma ban ga ido da ido ba, lokacin da yara suka gan shi zai zama Pennywise wanda muka sani kuma muna so, amma idan manya suka gan shi, zai zama mummunan caricature. na haka. Don haka zai zama wani abu mafi dacewa da sabon Pennywise tare da duk fasa. Zai zama rube da kaya makamantan haka. Kamar yadda acid ɗin baturi ya kasance amma duk ya ƙare, domin kawai a cikin hikimar labari a wancan lokacin manya sun san cewa shi ba ɗan wasa ba ne, kuma sun san cewa sun san cewa shi ba ɗan wasa ba ne. Don haka ya zama kamar babu ainihin ma'ana a ci gaba da riya kuma. Kuma ta hanyar kasancewa kusan caricature na aljan. Tommy bai ga haka ba. 

Ina tsammanin watakila a wani bangare, Tim ba ya so ya sa kayan shafa da yawa. Don haka da ya zama dole a yi daidai adadin jadawalin kasancewarsa a cikin kayan shafa mai nauyi. Ba abu ne mara kyau ba. Amma sabon wanda ya fi ban tsoro kuma ya fi ban tsoro shine irin inda nake ƙoƙarin ɗauka don manya, kun sani, don haka ba zan iya yi musu laifi ba. Ina tunanin kawai a cikin fage lokacin da yake mu'amala da yara, yana kama da ban tsoro.

BS: Wannan batu ne mai kyau. Ban yi tunanin haka ba. Shin kuna da adadi na aikin Pennywise da aka fi so?

WB: Duk yana iya isa. Ina tsammanin sun fito da biyu daga cikin waɗannan.

BS: Kai, wannan abin ban mamaki ne.

WB: Na jira shekaru 30 kafin su fito da wasu kyawawan kayayyaki na Pennywise da riguna. Ina nufin, na shiga Walmart yanzu kuma suna da T-shirts Pennywise.

BS: Kuna tsammanin cewa a zamanin yau mutane sun fi shiga cikin classic IT fiye da yadda suke a lokacin da ya fito?

WB: Ga alama haka. Ina nufin, ya kasance babbar nasara. Amma kuma, ban ga fatauci da kaya makamantan haka ba. Har ila yau, ina tsammanin fitowar fim ɗin na 2017 yayin da suke siyar da wannan sigar, ina tsammanin kamar su ne, bari mu kwashe tsohon kuma mu yi abubuwa daga wancan ma. Amma yana da kyau ka shiga shaguna ko gundumomi da kayan da wataƙila abu ne mai daɗi lokacin da fim ɗin ya fito a 1990. Zan je kantin sayar da littattafai kuma sun sake fitar da su. IT da takarda tare da kayan shafa na Tim Curry akan murfin. Wannan babban bangon kayan shafa na ne kawai.

BS: Za ku iya cewa Pennywise ita ce mafi kyau ko abin da kuka fi so da kuka yi aiki akai? Ko kuna da tasirin da kuka fi so wanda kuka yi a cikin aikinku?

WB: To, in waiwaya baya, na yi aiki a kan abubuwa masu kyau da yawa. Ina nufin, Pennywise tabbas yana daga cikin abubuwan da ni kaina na tsara kuma na ƙirƙira, ba tare da kulawa ba. Amma na yi aiki a kan asali Robocop, Na yi aiki a kan Guillermo del Toro guda biyu Hellboys. Ni babban mai sha'awar wasan kwaikwayo ne na Marvel, don haka na yi wa Paul Bettany Civil War da kuma Infinity War. Kuma na yi aiki ne kawai masõya 3, kuma na yi Christian Bale ta kayan shafa ga kamar wata kwanaki na sabon Thor fim don reshoots. Na sami taimako tare da Nebula don sabon Thor, Michael Chiklis a cikin Fantastic hudu fina-finai don haka fan a cikina ya sami yin aiki a kan yawancin shirye-shiryen nau'in guga mai sanyi.

BS: Ina sha'awar ra'ayin ku game da lokacin tsakanin lokacin da tasiri na musamman ya fara zama ƙasa da abu a cikin fina-finai kuma mutane sun fara motsawa zuwa CGI. Shin kun taɓa jin haka?

WB: Ee, ina nufin, alhamdu lillahi, ban daina motsi ba. Ina tsammanin idan ni mai motsi ne, da gaske na ji shi. Da farko dai wani naushi ne kawai kamar, ya Allah, dukkanmu ba mu da aiki. Tabbas, mutanen da ke motsa motsi da kuma mutanen animatronic sun ji haka. 

In Maza a Black 3, Ken Ralston shine mai kula da tasirin gani yana aiki tare da Rick Baker. Don haka wannan shine ɗayan ƴan lokutan da dijital ba ta ƙoƙarin karkatar da mutane masu amfani. A zahiri sun yi aiki hannu da hannu don haka Rick zai kasance kamar, “lafiya, zan gina wannan baƙo mai kama da kifin zinare, amma ba za mu sa wani lumshe ido a ciki ba. Idan Barry ya nuna shi dadewa cewa yana buƙatar ƙyaftawa to ku mutane za ku iya yin kiftawa ta hanyar dijital," kuma Ken yana da kyau. Don haka haɗin gwiwa ne mai kyau. Kuma ina tsammanin mafi kyawun irin wannan abu shine lokacin da kuke da biyu. Akwai halin faun a ciki Pany Labyrinth da Pale Man, waɗancan kayan shafa ne masu kyau amma akwai abubuwa na dijital da ke da hannu kamar fitar da ƙafafu ko sanya su ɗan rahusa ko wani abu. Abin takaici, musamman a farkon farkon, kowa yana tura duk kuɗin zuwa dijital. Don haka zaku sami nunin nuni da yawa waɗanda ke da tasirin dijital da gaske.

BS: Me yasa kuke son sanya wani abu mai tsadar kuɗi ya yi muni fiye da yadda yake a da?

WB: Abu daya da na gaske ba na son game da dijital kaya, shi ne cewa mutane ba su da yin alkawari. Kun tsara irin abin da kuka harba, don haka dole ne ku yanke shawara, kuma dole ne ku aiwatar da wani abu kuma koda da tasirin kayan shafa dole ne ku aiwatar da zane kuma ku gina shi don ku sami damar saita shi. Yanzu tare da kayan dijital. Ka kawai sami mutumin a cikin motsi kama fanjama, sa'an nan za ka iya canza zane akai-akai har sai ka kawai kure lokaci da kuma abubuwa sun zama a cikin gidan wasan kwaikwayo. 

Lokacin da nake aiki Civil War, muna yin fadan filin jirgin. Kuma wannan shine karo na farko da na ga MCU Spider Man. Kwat din ya sha bamban da wanda ke cikin fim din. Haka kuma Black Panther, ina tsammanin kwat ɗin sa iri ɗaya ne, amma stunt ninki biyu da suke sanye da shi ya bambanta da Chadwick. Don haka duka waɗannan biyun an maye gurbinsu gaba ɗaya ta hanyar dijital a cikin wannan jeri na ƙarshe kuma kawai ba su da niyyar yin cikakkiyar suturar Spider Man kafin mu yi fim, saboda za mu sami shekara ta post kuma za mu yi. canza shi. Akwai abubuwa masu ban mamaki da za ku iya yi da shi. Akwai abubuwan da ba za ku taɓa yi a zahiri ba ko su 'yantar da ku. Kuma ina ganin wannan shine kawai kyawun daraktan. 

Kamar abin da Guillermo del Toro ke so. Ya fito ne daga bangon tasirin kayan shafa don haka yana son ganin abubuwan aiki, kodayake har yanzu yana da kyawawan kayan dijital da yawa a cikin nunin, kuma, amma aƙalla yana da ma'auni mai kyau. Lokacin da kake yin baƙi da dodanni, a fili kayan dijital suna ba da abubuwa, kawai anatomically za ku iya yin abubuwan da ba za ku iya yi da shugaban ɗan adam ba, amma lokacin da kuke yin haruffa da shekarun kayan shafa da abubuwa kamar haka, idan kun ' Na sami ɗan wasan kwaikwayo wanda ke son yin hakan, kamar Gary Oldman Lokacin Duhu mafi Duhu, to za ku iya samun abubuwa masu ban mamaki sosai. Don haka har yanzu da sauran manyan ayyuka da ake yi.

BS: Na lura tabbas a cikin shekaru 10 da suka gabata ko makamancin haka, ƙarin sabunta sha'awa ga tasirin aiki galibi daga ra'ayi mai ban sha'awa. Shin kun lura da wasu sabbin masu fasaha na tasiri na musamman waɗanda kuke tsammanin suna da ban sha'awa sosai a kwanakin nan? 

WB: Yana da ban sha'awa sosai cewa akwai mutane a duniya da suke yin hakan. Kamar yadda na ga sabon elvis fim din da Tom Hanks, Colonel Parker kayan shafa yana da kyau sosai. Kazu wanda na yi aiki tare da komawa Grinch. Ya yi Lokacin Duhu mafi Duhu da kuma bombshell. Na yi aiki tare da Arjen Tuiten wanda ya yi Abin mamaki, ya yi Maleficent. Ya yi sabon Ghostbusters. Vincent Van Dyke, yana yin abubuwa masu ban mamaki. Akwai Mike Marino a bakin tekun gabas. Ya yi sabon Zuwan Amurka 2 daga shekaru biyu da suka gabata. na yi Kaka mara kyau tare da Steve Prody kuma da gaske ya sami Oscar nadin don hakan. Kuma kuma, ba wasan maza kawai ba ne kuma. Akwai mata masu hazaka da yawa suma suna yi. 

Akwai tsararraki masu kyau da yawa masu zuwa. Yawancin mutanen zamani na ko dai sun yi ritaya ko kuma suna kallon yin ritaya. Na ci abincin rana tare da Rick Baker a yau kuma ya yi ritaya kusan shekaru takwas yanzu, don haka, yana da daɗi sanin cewa akwai waɗannan raƙuman mutane suna tahowa a baya na don ci gaba. 

BS: Kuna da wasu sabbin ayyuka masu kyau da ke tafe waɗanda kuke jin daɗinsu? 

WB: To, na yi aiki ne kawai ba kawai ba Masu gadi na Galaxy 3, amma hutu na musamman wanda zai fita lokacin Kirsimeti. Na yi aiki a kan sabon Mansion Mansion abin da Disney ke yi, wanda ina tsammanin yayi kyau sosai. Akwai wani abu na Jeffrey Dahmer da Ryan Murphy ke yi Monster cewa na yi aiki kadan kadan. Wannan zai fita kafin karshen shekara. na yi Obi-Wan Kenobi, amma wannan ya riga ya fita kuma na yi aiki a kan sabon Thor, amma yanzu ya fita.

BS: Wane tasiri na musamman na mafarkinku zai yi wanda ba ku yi ba tukuna?

WB: Da fatan kafin in rataya shi, Ina so in yi kamar Mutumin Mole ko wani abu don Fantastic hudu. Ko kuma idan DC ta kasance a kusa da yin aiki Sabbin Alloli, Ina so in yi Jack Kirby madaidaicin kayan shafa na Darkseid.

Babu kamar dodo. Oh, ban taɓa samun yin ɗan iska ba. Idan zan iya yin hakan kawai. Na yi aiki a fina-finan Freddy. Ban taba yin komai ba Jumma'a da 13th. Ban taba zama babban Jason ba, amma na yi nuni na kayan Rob Zombie da menene. Na yi kyakkyawan aiki, iri-iri.

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Mixon har yanzu yana aiki a cikin kayan shafa na FX yana haifar da babban ci gaba na gadonsa a cikin shekarun da suka gabata da kuma yadda kayan shafa ya canza. Ba kamar zai tsaya ba da wuri, ko. Idan kuna sha'awar ƙarin ji game da tsarin sa na ƙirƙira da aiki akan Pennywise daga 1990 IT, kiyaye idanunku waje don Pennywise: Labarin IT.